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Future State Now is LiminalArc's podcast on enterprise AI transformation. Each episode goes inside real client work: what's actually happening in the field, what's working, what isn't, and where AI is creating genuine value versus where it's just noise. Host Stacy Gordon talks with the people building these transformations day to day, turning hands-on experience into practical thinking for anyone leading large-scale, AI-driven change inside organizations.
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Jun 3, 2020
Jun 3, 2020
59 min
This week in LeadingAgile’s SoundNotes, we’re focusing on Objectives and Key Results (OKRs). Andrew Young joins Dave to talk about this history of OKRs, why they have become such an important part of how we track and measure performance, why they matter to Executives, and why teaching Executives about OKRs requires a very specific approach.
Want more on OKRs?
- Agile Unplugged - Episode 02 with Mike Cottmeyer and Dennis Stevens
- An Introduction to OKRs: Objectives and Key Results
- Tracking and Reporting: What Should the PMO Be Tracking? w/ Derek Huether
Contacting Andrew Young
- LeadingAgile: https://www.leadingagile.com/guides/andrew-young/
- LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/atyoung/
- Twitter: https://twitter.com/exclamation101
- Email: andrew.young@leadingagile.com
Contacting Dave Prior
If you’d like to contact Dave you can reach him at:
- LeadingAgile: https://www.leadingagile.com/guides/dave-prior/
- LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mrsungo
- Twitter: https://twitter.com/mrsungo
- Email: dave.prior@leadingagile.com
If you have a question you’d like to submit for an upcoming podcast, please send them to dave.prior@leadingagile.com
And if you're interested in taking one of our upcoming Certified ScrumMaster or Certified Scrum Product Owner classes, you can find all the details at https://www.leadingagile.com/our-gear/training/

May 27, 2020
May 27, 2020
34 min
Getting a few teams up and running using Scrum, Kanban, or some other form of Agile is great. But that doesn’t necessarily mean your organization has become Agile.
This week in SoundNotes, Dragos Dumitriu joins Dave for a conversation about the difference between spinning up a few teams and truly achieving business Agility. During the conversation Dragos shares details on some of the common patterns, he sees when organizations begin moving towards an Agile approach, things to watch out for, and some of the conversations you need to be having internally if business agility is something your organization has set its sights on.
Contacting Dragos
- Web: https://www.leadingagile.com/guides/dragos-dumitriu/
- LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dragosd/
- Twitter: https://twitter.com/thewaitlifter
- Email: dragos@leadingagile.com
Contacting Dave
- Email: dave.prior@leadingagile.com
- LeadingAgile: http://www.leadingagile.com/guides/dave-prior/
- LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mrsungo/
- Twitter: http://twitter.com/mrsungo
- Personal blog: http://drunkenpm.net
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Feedback/Questions
If you have comments on the podcast or have questions for the LeadingAgile coaches that you’d like to have addressed in a future episode of LeadingAgile’s SoundNotes, you can reach Dave at dave.prior@leadingagile.com
LeadingAgile CSM and CSPO Classes
For information on LeadingAgile’s upcoming public CSM and CSPO classes, please go to: http://www.leadingagile.com/our-gear/training/
Use the discount code: LA_Podcast to receive a 15% discount on the class.

May 14, 2020
May 14, 2020
18 min
Training is a vital piece of today’s business climate. It’s typically at the forefront of conversations around development or growth, but what is the correlation or connection between training and actual business transformation? The assumption has been that if my employees only had the knowledge, they would produce different outcomes. While training is an undoubtedly valuable piece of creating large, organizational change, the outcomes that our organizations produce are highly intertwined with a number of factors on which training has very little impact.
In this episode of SoundNotes, LeadingAgile Training Consultant, Nathan Hummel joins Dave to discuss the role training plays in organizational change, how it impacts Agile transformation, and, what else, beyond training, an organization will need to see true lasting change.
Contacting Nathan
- Web: https://www.leadingagile.com/guides/nathan-hummel/
- LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nathan-hummel/
- Email: Nathan.hummel@leadingagile.com
Contacting Dave
- Email: dave.prior@leadingagile.com
- LeadingAgile: http://www.leadingagile.com/guides/dave-prior/
- LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mrsungo/
- Twitter: http://twitter.com/mrsungo
- Personal blog: http://drunkenpm.net
We Need Reviews
If you like this podcast, we'd be very grateful for reviews or feedback on iTunes. It will help us create more visibility for this podcast so that we can reach more people. Click here to leave us a review or post feedback.
Feedback/Questions
If you have comments on the podcast or have questions for the LeadingAgile coaches that you’d like to have addressed in a future episode of LeadingAgile’s SoundNotes, you can reach Dave at dave.prior@leadingagile.com
LeadingAgile CSM and CSPO Classes
For information on LeadingAgile’s upcoming public CSM and CSPO classes, please go to http://www.leadingagile.com/our-gear/training/
Use the discount code: LA_Podcast to receive a 15% discount on the class.

May 7, 2020
May 7, 2020
21 min
In this episode of SoundNotes, LeadingAgile Managing Consultant, Greg DePasquale explains what Outcome-Based Planning is, how it works, why it's so critical for enabling successful delivery, and how it works at different levels of the organization.
In outcome-based planning, we focus on “a results-driven plan rather than plan-driven results." There is a focus on the Why as opposed to the How. We center around the business outcome we are looking to achieve, rather than making sure we are doing “all the things." If you work in a project-based organization and status is tracked by things done (or percent of a thing done), you are probably more output focused. If you are planning for the results you want to achieve, and you and employ a strategy where we can continue inspecting and adapting towards that desired result, regardless of how many things you can check the done box on along the way, then you are outcome-focused.
Contacting Greg DePasquale:
Web: https://www.leadingagile.com/guides/greg-depasquale/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gregdepasquale/
Email: greg.depasquale@leadingagile.com
Contacting Dave Prior
If you’d like to contact Dave you can reach him at:
- LeadingAgile: https://www.leadingagile.com/guides/dave-prior/
- LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mrsungo
- Twitter: https://twitter.com/mrsungo
- Email: dave.prior@leadingagile.com
If you have a question you’d like to submit for an upcoming podcast, please send them to dave.prior@leadingagile.com
And if you're interested in taking one of our upcoming Certified ScrumMaster or Certified Scrum Product Owner classes, you can find all the details at https://www.leadingagile.com/our-gear/training/

Apr 30, 2020
Apr 30, 2020
41 min
When we are trying to figure out what products to build, we have to develop a deep understanding of the problem we are solving. To do that, we have to understand who we are solving problems for, what is important to them, and what offering would be most appealing to them or most likely to cause a change in behavior. Looking at the problem from different perspectives can enable it to be solved more easily, with each vantage point offering different insights that can complement each other. When we can discover things that are true across the board, we can be even more confident that we're headed in the right direction
LeadingAgile SVP, Executive Consultant, Scott Sehlhorst approaches this work from an engineering perspective. LeadingAgile Managing Consultant, Will Evans approaches the work from a Design perspective. While each vantage point is important, the true value comes from combining them.
In this episode of SoundNotes, Scott and Will join Dave to offer insight into how they each approach the work of understanding the user, the problems they are facing and the best way to solve them. This conversation digs deep into the product space and how we design solutions that truly meet the needs of our customers.
If you’d like to reach out to Scott and Will for more information:
Contacting Scott Sehlhorst
- LeadingAgile: https://www.leadingagile.com/guides/scott-sehlhorst/
- Twitter: https://twitter.com/sehlhorst
- LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sehlhorst/
- Blog: http://tynerblain.com/blog/
Contacting Will Evans
- Web: https://www.leadingagile.com/guides/will-evans/
- Email: will.evans@leadingagile.com
- Twitter: https://twitter.com/semanticwill
Contacting Dave Prior
If you’d like to contact Dave you can reach him at:
- LeadingAgile: https://www.leadingagile.com/guides/dave-prior/
- LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mrsungo
- Twitter: https://twitter.com/mrsungo
- Email: dave.prior@leadingagile.com
If you have a question you’d like to submit for an upcoming podcast, please send them to dave.prior@leadingagile.com
And if you're interested in taking one of our upcoming Certified ScrumMaster or Certified Scrum Product Owner classes, you can find all the details at https://www.leadingagile.com/our-gear/training/

Apr 23, 2020
Apr 23, 2020
38 min
Over the past few years, there has been an increasing push within organizations to move from a project-oriented mindset to a more product-focused approach. Creating that change in an organization can take considerable work and part of that is how you address funding the work being done.
In this episode of SoundNotes, LeadingAgile’s Chief Methodologist, Dennis Stevens spends time with Dave talking about why this change is necessary, the impact it can have on an organization, some things to watch out for as you make the switch and tips that will help you succeed in bringing this change to your company.
Contacting Dennis Stevens
- Web: https://www.leadingagile.com/guides/dennis-stevens/
- Twitter: https://twitter.com/dennisstevens
- Email: dennis@leadingagile.com
Contacting Dave Prior
If you’d like to contact Dave you can reach him at:
- LeadingAgile: https://www.leadingagile.com/guides/dave-prior/
- LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mrsungo
- Twitter: https://twitter.com/mrsungo
- Email: dave.prior@leadingagile.com
If you have a question you’d like to submit for an upcoming podcast, please send them to dave.prior@leadingagile.com
And if you're interested in taking one of our upcoming Certified ScrumMaster or Certified Scrum Product Owner classes, you can find all the details at https://www.leadingagile.com/our-gear/training/

Apr 9, 2020
Apr 9, 2020
20 min
In many organizations, the group responsible for procurement, and the processes they follow, were established under a traditional (waterfall) approach. The way in which goods and services are requested, contracted, approved and acquired can be an odd fit with an Agile approach. In the public sector, this can prove even more challenging due to oversight, bureaucracy, and a variety of other factors.
In this episode of SoundNotes, LeadingAgile's, Nathan Hummel, joins Dave to talk about some of the issues that crop up when an organization in the public sector begins working on how to handle procurement as they move towards a more Agile approach to work. During the interview they dig into what makes Agile procurement different in the public sector, what kind of challenges you can expect to face and what steps you can take to begin resolving them.
Contacting Nathan
- Web: https://www.leadingagile.com/guides/nathan-hummel/
- LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nathan-hummel/
- Email: Nathan.hummel@leadingagile.com
Contacting Dave
- Email: dave.prior@leadingagile.com
- LeadingAgile: http://www.leadingagile.com/guides/dave-prior/
- LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mrsungo/
- Twitter: http://twitter.com/mrsungo
- Personal blog: http://drunkenpm.net
We Need Reviews
If you like this podcast, we'd be very grateful for reviews or feedback in iTunes. It will help us create more visibility for this podcast so that we can reach more people. Click here to leave us a review or post feedback.
Feedback/Questions
If you have comments on the podcast or have questions for the LeadingAgile coaches that you’d like to have addressed in a future episode of LeadingAgile’s SoundNotes, you can reach Dave at dave.prior@leadingagile.com
LeadingAgile CSM and CSPO Classes
For information on LeadingAgile’s upcoming public CSM and CSPO classes, please go to: http://www.leadingagile.com/our-gear/training/
Use the discount code: LA_Podcast to receive a 15% discount on the class.

Apr 2, 2020
Apr 2, 2020
50 min
In this episode of SoundNotes, Ross Beurmann joins Dave to talk about the difference between Leadership and Management. Although many confuse the two and believe they are the same, they are actually very different things—and this can become extremely apparent during the transition to an Agile approach.
During the interview, Ross explains why it is so important that we gain clarity on the difference between the two, why we want to manage systems, and why it is so important that we inspire teams to manage themselves.
Books Mentioned In This Podcast
- Turn the Ship Around - L. David Marquet https://amzn.to/2QXOGWD
- Leadership is Language - L. David Marquet https://amzn.to/2w2mRFj
- Getting Naked - Patrick Lencioni https://amzn.to/3avNX6A
- Dare to Lead - Brene Brown https://amzn.to/2JptZ1D
- We Were Soldiers Once… And Young - Harold G. Moore https://amzn.to/3dKAvxG
Contacting Ross
- Web: https://www.leadingagile.com/guides/ross-beurmann/
- LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rossbeurmannzcea/
- Email: Ross.Beurmann@leadingagile.com
Contacting Dave
- Email: dave.prior@leadingagile.com
- LeadingAgile: http://www.leadingagile.com/guides/dave-prior/
- LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mrsungo/
- Twitter: http://twitter.com/mrsungo
- Personal blog: http://drunkenpm.net
We Need Reviews
If you like this podcast, we'd be very grateful for reviews or feedback in iTunes. It will help us create more visibility for this podcast so that we can reach more people. Click here to leave us a review or post feedback.
Feedback/Questions
If you have comments on the podcast or have questions for the LeadingAgile coaches that you’d like to have addressed in a future episode of LeadingAgile’s SoundNotes, you can reach Dave at dave.prior@leadingagile.com
LeadingAgile CSM and CSPO Classes
For information on LeadingAgile’s upcoming public CSM and CSPO classes, please go to: http://www.leadingagile.com/our-gear/training/
Use the discount code: LA_Podcast to receive a 15% discount on the class.

Mar 26, 2020
Mar 26, 2020
54 min
In this episode of SoundNotes Will Evans is back to discuss why behavior trumps empathy and the secret to building the right thing.
During the interview, we explore the difference between traditional Personas and Behavioral Impact Personas. We also talk through how Impact Mapping can be used to move beyond Empathy Maps to deepen our understanding of what motivates people, what their needs are, what things to build, how well they have to perform to be considered valuable, and how to make sure we are solving the right problems for the right people at the right time.
In this podcast, you will learn how Impact Mapping can draw a clear connection between the things we are going to build, the problems we need to overcome, and how to create a change in behavior by specific people that allows us to move toward an outcome that achieves our desired goal.
Will has created a few graphics that we refer to in the interview and you’ll want to download them in order to get the most out of this podcast. You can find links to them below.
Files You Need For This Podcast
- Behavioral Impact Persona PDF
- Behavioral Impact Persona PNG
- Zone of Influence - Zone of Control PNG
- Behavioral Change PNG
Impact Mapping Podcast
If you'd like to check out Will's previous interview on Impact Mapping you can find it here:
Contacting Will
- Web: https://www.leadingagile.com/guides/will-evans/
- Email: will.evans@leadingagile.com
- Twitter: https://twitter.com/semanticwill
Contacting Dave
- Email: dave.prior@leadingagile.com
- LeadingAgile: http://www.leadingagile.com/guides/dave-prior/
- LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mrsungo/
- Twitter: http://twitter.com/mrsungo
- Personal blog: http://drunkenpm.net
We Need Reviews
If you like this podcast, we'd be very grateful for reviews or feedback in iTunes. It will help us create more visibility for this podcast so that we can reach more people. Click here to leave us a review or post feedback.
Feedback/Questions
If you have comments on the podcast or have questions for the LeadingAgile coaches that you’d like to have addressed in a future episode of LeadingAgile’s SoundNotes, you can reach Dave at dave.prior@leadingagile.com
LeadingAgile CSM and CSPO Classes
For information on LeadingAgile’s upcoming public CSM and CSPO classes, please go to: http://www.leadingagile.com/our-gear/training/
Use the discount code: LA_Podcast to receive a 15% discount on the class.

Mar 12, 2020
Mar 12, 2020
36 min
One of the most critical, and unfortunately, neglected elements of ensuring your teams can deliver the most value possible, is making sure they can see a direct connection between the work they are being asked to execute on and that strategy that work is in service of.
In this episode of SoundNotes, LeadingAgile Principal Consultant, Marty Bradley spends time with Dave discussing why we need to connect strategy to execution and what happens when we don't. During the interview, Marty provides examples which demonstrate why we need to break the work down into small increments of value, how to track their performance at both the strategic and tactical level, how frequently you want to be checking in on whether or not the work is delivering the desired value,, and who needs to be involved in these discussions.
Links from the Podcast
- Check out a video of Marty's presentation - Develop a Strategy to Embrace Change
Contacting Marty
- Web: https://www.leadingagile.com/guides/marty-bradley/
- LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/martybradley/
- Twitter: https://twitter.com/AskCoachMarty
- Email: marty.bradley@leadingagile.com
Contacting Dave
- Email: dave.prior@leadingagile.com
- LeadingAgile: http://www.leadingagile.com/guides/dave-prior/
- LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mrsungo/
- Twitter: http://twitter.com/mrsungo
- Personal blog: http://drunkenpm.net
We Need Reviews
If you like this podcast, we'd be very grateful for reviews or feedback in iTunes. It will help us create more visibility for this podcast so that we can reach more people. Click here to leave us a review or post feedback.
Feedback/Questions
If you have comments on the podcast or have questions for the LeadingAgile coaches that you’d like to have addressed in a future episode of LeadingAgile’s SoundNotes, you can reach Dave at dave.prior@leadingagile.com
LeadingAgile CSM and CSPO Classes
For information on LeadingAgile’s upcoming public CSM and CSPO classes, please go to: http://www.leadingagile.com/our-gear/training/
Use the discount code: LA_Podcast to receive a 15% discount on the class.
