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Thursday Apr 02, 2020
Leadership vs. Management w/ Ross Beurmann
Thursday Apr 02, 2020
Thursday Apr 02, 2020
In this episode of SoundNotes, Ross Beurmann joins Dave to talk about the difference between Leadership and Management. Although many confuse the two and believe they are the same, they are actually very different things—and this can become extremely apparent during the transition to an Agile approach.
During the interview, Ross explains why it is so important that we gain clarity on the difference between the two, why we want to manage systems, and why it is so important that we inspire teams to manage themselves.
Books Mentioned In This Podcast
- Turn the Ship Around - L. David Marquet https://amzn.to/2QXOGWD
- Leadership is Language - L. David Marquet https://amzn.to/2w2mRFj
- Getting Naked - Patrick Lencioni https://amzn.to/3avNX6A
- Dare to Lead - Brene Brown https://amzn.to/2JptZ1D
- We Were Soldiers Once… And Young - Harold G. Moore https://amzn.to/3dKAvxG
Contacting Ross
- Web: https://www.leadingagile.com/guides/ross-beurmann/
- LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rossbeurmannzcea/
- Email: Ross.Beurmann@leadingagile.com
Contacting Dave
- Email: dave.prior@leadingagile.com
- LeadingAgile: http://www.leadingagile.com/guides/dave-prior/
- LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mrsungo/
- Twitter: http://twitter.com/mrsungo
- Personal blog: http://drunkenpm.net
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